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Saturday, October 11, 2008

Arminian v Calvinist

by Matthew

Calvinist: You see what it says here? Look at Romans

Moreover, whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Arminian: Yes, that is true. But it also says here:

But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;

and shall begin to smite his fellow servants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;

the lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,

and shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Calvinist: But we can't apply that to regenerate persons. It says here:

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Arminian: No? What about Hebrews 10:26-27:

ΒΆ For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

etc etc etc etc etc etc.

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  • Methinks there is a position that rises above all these passages and creates a synthesis which can take all the language at face value:

    Free Grace Theology

    By Blogger Antonio, at Saturday, October 11, 2008 1:11:00 PM  

  • Hi Antonio:

    You never did get back to me on that matter of repentance, last weekend.

    There was a fair bit of bombast in your original posting - a rerun too of a previous posting - I assume that you don't plan to run it again?


    Your Biblical friend,

    By Blogger GOODNIGHTSAFEHOME, at Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:50:00 AM  

  • Antonio, yes, I think there is.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Sunday, October 12, 2008 1:13:00 AM  

  • Here is a series which examines passages from both sides of the debate:

    perseverance of the saints series parts 1-12

    Part 12 addresses the primary passages used by unconditional eternal security advocates to support their doctrine. Each passage is engaged exegetically so it does not amount to, "yeah, but what about this passage." I would appreciate any feedback from anyone here on any of the passages I examine in this series.

    I would also add that during the course of this series I address the view that such warmings have reference to losing rewards, which I believe represents the view held here. Again, I welcome any interaction or feedback.

    God Bless,

    By Blogger kangaroodort, at Saturday, October 18, 2008 10:16:00 AM  

  • Kangaroodort, I am inclined to think that many warning passages go beyond loss of rewards and extend to exclusion from the millennium and temporary banishment to hell (not a postion shared by the other members of this blog).

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:10:00 AM  

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