[We are] not ashamed of the gospel of Christ, for it is the power of God to salvation for everyone who believes, for the Jew first and also for the Greek. (Romans 1:16)

Friday, January 30, 2009

What about those who have not heard? Part 2











by Matthew

There are essentially three positions on those who have not heard, though these can be subdivided. They are Restrictivist, Agnostic and Opportunist. With regard to the deductive argument I outlined in the last post.

Restrictivists- Do not accept the conclusion.

Agnostics- Consider that the conclusion opens up the possibility of a means of salvation for the unevangelised.

Opportunists- Accept the conclusion and are confident in expecting a means of salvation for the unevangelised.


Let us get a little more specific and look at the specific positions.

Restrictivists

Restrictivists hold that the only means to obtain eternal life is through the witness of believers.

The majority of Calivinists take this view. Some Arminians also share it, though they may be accused of inconistency in doing so.

Calvinists who adopt the Restrictivist view do so because they see only those who hear the Gospel message as falling within the scope of God's salvific decree. Arminian Restrictivists do so for two main reasons; firstly because they do not see evidence in Scripture to the contrary and secondly because they believe the responsibility to share the Gospel has been given to believers.

Pessimistic Agnostics

Pessmistic agnostics believe that God's merciful character raises the hope of some means of the unevangelised being saved, but the apparent silence of the Scriptures disinclines them to the idea.

J.I. Packer, a Calvinist, takes this view.

Simple Agnostics

Simple agnostics acknowledge both the lack of Scriptural data and God's merciful character, but refuse to take a position either way. They are often concerned that discussion of this issue will hinder missionary endeavour.

Optimistic Agnostics

Optimistic agnostics acknowledge the lack of Scriptural data, but are hopeful that God may have provided a means of saving the unevangelized.

John Stott takes this view.

Inclusivists

Inclusivists hold that God's revelation in nature is sufficent to enable a person to find salvation. They are argue that all or most religions provide some knowledge of God's character and therefore a person can come to know Christ implicitly through faith in these religions.

This view is prominent amongst Roman Catholics and is highly favoured by those who are more liberally inclined in theology. Nevertheless, it was held by such a conservative one as John Wesley.

Postmortem Evangelisation

Some who are not convinced by Inclusivism suggest that perhaps God may give a second chance after death to the heathen.

While this view accounts for God's merciful character it is seriously lacking in Scriptural support.

Universal Premortem Opportunism

This view holds that God most likely provides special revelation to the unevangelised before their death. The granting of such revelation may be conditional upon a positive response to natural revelation.

This view was advocated by Thomas Aquinas, Jacob Arminius and the Calvinist J. Oliver Buswell. There is an Eastern Orthodox tradition that John the Baptist appears to the heathen before they die to preach Christ.

This is the view that I will defend in this series.

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40 Comments:

  • Hi Matthew

    I notice you don't have "Evanite" on your list? What's up man?

    I liked alot what Tony Evans had to say in his article, but am still chewing on it. I believe that Scripture clearly teaches that man will have no excuse because the very creation puts forth speach day and night! And God promises that all who seek Him WILL find Him. So anyone responding to God's light will be given more light and eventially find Him. I remember hearing a story by Watchmen Nee that a little boy use to go with his parents and they would bow down and worship this statue. But the little boy said to himself "I know God is not in this dirty little statue, but looked up into the heavens and said i believe your out there somewhere." Later someone brought him the message of Jesus, and he said I knew God was out there but now I know His name.

    Why would not God who came to seek and to save the lost by giving His life for them also not provide a way to find Him?
    God's Holy Spirit is convicting the world of sin and rightousness and judgment! Jesus said if He be lifted up He would draw ALL men unto Himself! He is not hiding from anyone but wants them to seek Him and find Him! He has NO pleasure in the death of the wicked, and does not want to cast anyone into hell.
    It's not like what the consistant Calvinist teaches concerning double predestination. There will be NO sign over hell that reads "doomed from all eternity." But God genuinely loves the world and has provided a way for EVERYONE and has commanded all to believe in Him FOR eternal life!

    alvin :)

    By Blogger alvin, at Friday, January 30, 2009 5:45:00 PM  

  • Hi Matthew,

    I am glad that you state that Arminians believe the responsibility to share the Gospel has been given to believers. However, this is also the view of Calvinists as the rich and exemplary history of their missionary work will confirm.

    I note that the view that you are proposing to defend is based on an most likely which will certainly need to be buttressed by clear Scripture.

    Anyway…a good and enjoyable to study.

    Regards,

    By Blogger GOODNIGHTSAFEHOME, at Saturday, January 31, 2009 3:24:00 AM  

  • Matthew,

    I do agree with you here. I also hold the "Universal Premortem Opportunism" view. Is that an official name, or did you come up with that? ;-)

    By Blogger Rachel, at Saturday, January 31, 2009 9:11:00 PM  

  • Hi Matthew
    I believe that God can put on peoples hearts to go where He would have them go even like Paul in Acts 16:9 as the vision of the man in Macedonia pleading with him to come over.
    I was at a drive through at a McDonalds restaurant when a young man and a pregnant girl walked in front of my car. At the time I didn’t know why, but they captured my attention. Latter that night I was at home and restless, I felt the Lord wanted me to go somewhere. I told my wife and then left for town. Driving around there praying that the Lord would lead me to who he wanted me to talk to. I all of a sudden saw the same couple go into a motel. Each one was like a little house with rooms. I was scarred as always and sat in my car and prayed. Then I finally got the nerve to go, but looked at my tracts and they were all wet. I asked the Lord “what do I do now?” He layed on my heart for me to give my testimony. I knocked at the door, and a lady answered. I asked her if she would like to hear my testimony? She turned around and the room was filled with people. She said to them “hey would you guys like to hear this guys testimony?” Someone in the room I think the mom said “sure send him on in.” Once I came into the room I recognized who the family was. The father wasn’t there but all the rest of the family was, and they were all waiting to take the girl to the hospital when she was ready to give birth. I think now that the pregnancy was out of wedlock, and the father was very religious. In the past I had talked to him about eternal security, and he was vehemently against it. I gave my testimony which was all about eternal security. I told them how I had got saved at twelve years old, but after that I had lived for myself. But then God had got a hold of my life, and had laid the book of Hosea on my heart. After reading Hosea several times it dawned on me God was telling me I had been unfaithful to Him all those years but He had always been faithful to me. They interacted with me, and asked me questions and seemed to believe what I was saying was true. I know if the father had been there he would never have allowed me to speak to them.
    If a person is open to the Lord’s leading He will guide them where they need to be.

    By Blogger alvin, at Sunday, February 01, 2009 12:44:00 AM  

  • One last thing I want to say.
    There are ones who are willing to go across the world for Jesus but if your willing to go across the street He will use you! Or even with your co-worker. Jesus doesn't want anyone to go to hell! And we have a wonderful message to share. That Jesus paid it all on the cross so they could have life and never perish!

    alvin :)

    By Blogger alvin, at Sunday, February 01, 2009 1:50:00 AM  

  • Hey Matthew, nice to hear from you hear. I would hold to the position you are going to defend as well, but I eagerly await your defense as I have not tried to do so.

    Grace and Truth

    Trent

    By Blogger Trent, at Sunday, February 01, 2009 10:41:00 AM  

  • Trent, it is a matter of finding time.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:40:00 AM  

  • Rachel, I came up with that.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:53:00 AM  

  • Alvin, I know Evans is not a Restrictivist, but I am not sure exactly what his position is.

    Have you read 'Decision-making and the Will of God', by Garry Friesen?

    "I believe that God can put on peoples hearts to go where He would have them go even like Paul in Acts 16:9 as the vision of the man in Macedonia pleading with him to come over."

    Sometimes. But I do not think this should be regarded as the norm in decision-making.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 3:56:00 AM  

  • Colin,

    "I am glad that you state that Arminians believe the responsibility to share the Gospel has been given to believers. However, this is also the view of Calvinists as the rich and exemplary history of their missionary work will confirm."

    Some Arminians.

    I did not mean to minimize or deny Calvinist involvement in mission (though there have been anti-mission trends within Calvinism). I merely mentioned mission in connection with Arminians as their justification for being restrictivists.

    "I note that the view that you are proposing to defend is based on an most likely which will certainly need to be buttressed by clear Scripture."

    But there is no passage in Scripture that clearly indicates that all who have not heard are wirthout hope.

    There are basically two ways of resolivng the issue:

    1. More put more weight on what Scripture does not say.
    2. More put more weight on what Scripture says.

    Restrictivists focus on the fact that the Bible offers no clear prospect of salvation for those who have no human witness.

    Opportunists believe that the truth of God's love and mercy has more significance in determining the issue than the apparent silence of the Bible.

    Every Blessing in Christ

    Matthew

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 4:16:00 AM  

  • Alvin, just another point.

    "I liked alot what Tony Evans had to say in his article, but am still chewing on it. I believe that Scripture clearly teaches that man will have no excuse because the very creation puts forth speach day and night!"

    A lot of people refer to the witness of creation. But how does this actually help?

    Either natural revelationn can provide or leads to the knowledge of salvation, or else it does not.

    If natural revelation can provide no means of finding salvation, it is difficult to see how it leaves one without excuse.

    Every Blessing in Christ

    Matthew

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 6:14:00 AM  

  • You say you will defend Universal Premortem Opportunism in this series.

    I did not know that was what it was called, but I clearly remember a time when you indicated this was what you believed.

    Honestly, I don't know what to think about this.

    I have a definite problem with the Calvinist idea of election as it relates to unevangelized portions of the world... as expressed by Jazzycat in the previous thread: I think you asked him if the fact that some countries had not ever had an evangelist meant that there were no elect in those regions... and he said yes. (Something to that effect)

    I have a real problem with that! I think it is the cause of a lot of ethnic prejudice through the ages -not that I am charging Wayne with that- but that whole premise would tend to make the European and Western world have a cause to boast of God's exclusive love... to at least a good degree.

    I look forward to reading more as I try to get a grip on my own position.

    Thanks for taking this up.

    By Blogger Rose~, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:02:00 AM  

  • Hi Matthew

    you said :A lot of people refer to the witness of creation. But how does this actually help?

    Either natural revelationn can provide or leads to the knowledge of salvation, or else it does not.

    If natural revelation can provide no means of finding salvation, it is difficult to see how it leaves one without excuse.


    I was thinking of Romans 1:20,21
    For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, because although they knew God they did not glorify Him as God
    acts 17:27 'so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; "for in Him we live and move and have our being

    alvin :)

    By Blogger alvin, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:44:00 AM  

  • Rose,
    I do think it is problematic if whole generations of nations had no elect among them.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:05:00 AM  

  • By the Rose, I made the name 'Universla Premorten Opportunism' up.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:10:00 AM  

  • Alvin, those are passages I hope to look at.

    The question remains.

    If people have a witness in nature, but knowledge of salvation is still witheld, in what sense are they without excuse?

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:14:00 AM  

  • Did you already say that? That you made it up?? You are such a creative and clever fellow!

    By Blogger Rose~, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:15:00 AM  

  • Just like that little boy he looked up into Gods creation and knew that God wasn't in that little dirty statue his dad nad mom were worshiping

    The heavens declare the glory of God;
    And the firmament shows His
    handiwork.
    Day unto day utters speech,
    And night unto night reveals knowledge.
    There is no speech nor language
    Where their voice is not heard.
    Their line has gone out through
    all the earth,
    And their words to the end of the world. Psalm 19:1-4

    for when Gentiles, who do not have the law by nature do things in the law these, although not having the law are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them Romans 2:14,15

    A man in Macedonia stood and pleaded with him, saying, "Come over to Macedonia and help us."
    Acts 16:9

    Acts 17:27 should seek the Lord, if haply they might find Him

    By Blogger alvin, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:24:00 AM  

  • We all agree that creation points to God, but believing in God does not save.

    Our Chinese boy needs to know about Jesus Christ and the gift of eternal life.

    I believe that a recognition of the witness of creation may be followed by special revelation of Christ.

    If not, then I see little use in natural revelation.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:30:00 AM  

  • Hi Matthew

    Yah why God even put it in Scripture I don't know? If it doesnt lead to Him what use is it, I guess it's pretty to look at?

    alvin :)

    By Blogger alvin, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:07:00 PM  

  • Matthew,
    I believe that a recognition of the witness of creation may be followed by special revelation of Christ.

    Although Scripture does not speak to this, I guess it is certainly possible. However, I would disagree to it being based on something based on the will of man rather than the electing grace of God. After all, Romans 1 and elsewhere report that there are no positive responses to natural revelation. Therefore, your speculation is based on the false premise of Semi-Pelagianism!

    By Blogger jazzycat, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:21:00 PM  

  • Matthew, - So you've apparently ruled out any "postmortem opportunism" - if so could you explain why?

    By Blogger wjc, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:50:00 PM  

  • BTW - great topic/series!

    By Blogger wjc, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 7:52:00 PM  

  • Sorry about that Matthew I was being a little sarcastic there!

    I remember at twelve camping out under the stars and for some reason they seem to put things in perspective. The setting brought to my mind my own eternal destiny. I thought if I was to die that night I would go to hell. But also at that very moment I believed that Jesus was the only One who could save me. I believe God used that setting to bring my mind to eternal things.

    When I would do street evangelism with young people who believed in Evolution I would use the heavens to make my point.

    I would tell them billions of years ago flying through space was a molten rock with a bubbly substance on it. And after billions of more years it began to take shape and after billions of more years paint fell out of heaven and clung to it and it read Coca Cola 16 fl.oz.
    I told them that is a ridicules story because we know every creation or design there had to be a designer or creator. Then I would share the Creator with them Jesus Christ.
    So God's creation can be a powerful example to bring a persons eternity into mind and then share with them the Creator Jesus Christ and the provision He made for the sins of the world. And their need for eternal life that He provides as a gift which can be taken freely.

    Paul used the statue to the unknown god to point to the true God.
    "God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.

    Creation itself points to a Creator and has a way of putting our own destiny in mind....Why am I here...where do I fit in the Grand scheme of things?

    For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse . . . .who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Rom 1:20,25

    And that is my point, that creation points to a Creator, and if someone responds to the Creator other words seeks more light God will give them more light until the day dawns and the morning star rises in their hearts! God has promised that whoever seeks Him will find Him and He wants everyone to find Him!

    Wherever He is there I am!
    alvin :)

    By Blogger alvin, at Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:10:00 PM  

  • WJC, thanks.

    The Scriptures do seem to present death as a cutting off point for receiving grace.

    Both premortem and postmortem opportunism look beyond the silence of Scripture, but postmortem opportunism points to a more radical speculation. We know God gave saving revelation to people in life, but we read nothing in Scripture about saving revelation after death.

    Every Blessing in Christ

    Matthew

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Thursday, February 05, 2009 3:58:00 AM  

  • Alvin, it is clear and agreed by all that creation points people to God.

    However, our eternal destiny does not rest on whether we believe in God but on whether we have trusted in Christ.

    The Chinese boy who came to believe in God could surely protest at the Great White Throne that he knew nothing of Jesus Christ.

    Therefore I think we can be confident that God in His mercy would supply further light to such.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:02:00 AM  

  • Wayne, Paul cannot be saying in Romans 1 that there are absolutely no positive response to natural revelation- otherwise everyone would be an atheist.

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Thursday, February 05, 2009 4:03:00 AM  

  • Hi Matthew

    I don't think we are communicating very well.
    you said:
    The Chinese boy who came to believe in God could surely protest at the Great White Throne that he knew nothing of Jesus Christ.

    I said:
    But the little boy said to himself
    "I know God is not in this dirty little statue, but looked up into the heavens and said i believe your out there somewhere." Later someone brought him the message of Jesus, and he said I knew God was out there but now I know His name.

    I don't believe anyone who responds to the light that God has given them even IF it is only creation will go to hell but God will give them MORE light which eventially will be the saving message.

    I was sought by those who did not ask for Me;
    I was found by those who did not seek Me.
    I said, 'Here I am, here I am,'
    To a nation that was not called by My name.

    Sounds like God wants to be found!!!

    Speaking of the Holy Spirit:
    "And when He has come, He will
    convict the world of sin, and of righteouness and of judgment:
    "of sin, because they do not believe in Me John 16:8,9

    That's everyone on planet earth!

    And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL peoples to Myself." John 12:32

    "But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. John 4:23

    Do not say, 'There are still four months and then comes the harvest'? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look at the fields, for they are already white for harvest! John 4:35

    God is working in the world in every individual convicting them of sin and drawing them, and He promise if they seek Him they will find Him! And Jesus ALWAYS keeps His promises. So we don't need to figure everything out but get busy for the fields are white for harvest!!!

    Wherever He is there I am!

    alvin :)

    By Blogger alvin, at Thursday, February 05, 2009 5:39:00 AM  

  • Wayne, Paul cannot be saying in Romans 1 that there are absolutely no positive response to natural revelation- otherwise everyone would be an atheist.

    That is exactly what Paul is saying. Left alone apart from God’s intervention no one responds positively to natural revelation. Paul says in Romans 1:21 For although they knew God, they did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Paul states further in Romans 3:10-18 and elsewhere that not only do men not respond to natural revelation positively, they do not in and of themselves respond to the law of Moses.

    What causes those who do respond positively to natural revelation to do so? I think Paul answers that in 1 Cor. 4:7 (KJV) For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it? Whatever causes a person to respond to natural revelation and seek God, he received it from God! He may credit it to his heart, intellect, reasoning, or the Holy Spirit, but ultimately it was from God!

    Your view is semi-Pelagianism.

    By Blogger jazzycat, at Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:00:00 AM  

  • That's right no one left to themselves would seek God, BUT God has not left us to ourself but is CONVICTING everyone on planet earth of sin and rightosness and judgment, and is drawing ALL! And promises those who seek Him WILL find Him!
    That's why when Jesus came into the world it was GREAT JOY to ALL people!
    And that's Biblical!

    alvin :)

    By Blogger alvin, at Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:51:00 AM  

  • Alvin,
    I disagree with this..........
    BUT God has not left us to ourself but is CONVICTING everyone on planet earth of sin and rightosness and judgment

    If it were everyone, then everyone would be saved. Passages such as the following (there many more) point to God’s call being 100% effective:

    John 6:47 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out.
    Romans 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

    By Blogger jazzycat, at Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:52:00 AM  

  • Hi Jazzycat

    You can't just take the Scriptures you like and run with them you need to open your eyes to both sides. I clearly agree that NO ONE can OR will seek God left to themseves. That's the side you want to cling to. But that needs to be qualified! Because we KNOW there are ones who seek God. Believers seek God and unbelievers, Cornielus being just one but also Nicodemus was seeking God by night. So where do we go from there? That truly God desires ALL men to be saved! Common sense tells us either He does or He doesn't, and He has clearly told us He does! So their is NO reason not to believe Him UNLESS we MUST have our theology RULE instead of God and His desire!

    There is none who seeks after God. Rom 3:11b

    For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
    who DESIRES ALL MEN to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:3,4

    Jazzycat you can reject this verse but that does'nt change the fact that the Holy Spirit IS convicting the WORLD!
    "And when He has come, He will CONVICT the WORLD of SIN, and of Righteousness, and judgment:
    "of SIN, because they do not believe in Me

    Jazzycat, why is the Holy Spirit convicting the WORLD of sin?

    Jesus said:Because they do not believe in Me

    If the first part is NOT true THEN THE LAST PART ISN'T EITHER! You can't have your cake and eat it to!
    Think about it?

    You misquoted John 6:47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.
    Coming in vrs 35 is believing as drinking is. The women at the well had to KNOW what the gift of God was BEFORE Jesus would GIVE it to her! It's been said: you can't believe something you do not understand.
    And God has commanded EVERYONE on planet earth to believe, and the reason He convicts EVERYONE on planet earth of sin is because THEY DO NOT BELIEVE!


    Wherever He is there am I
    (Eph 2:4-6)
    alvin :)

    By Blogger alvin, at Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:36:00 PM  

  • Sorry I should have qualified that verse:

    The Holy Spirit is convicting every single person on planet earth IF they have not believed in Jesus for eternal life!

    Because we know believers will not come into this type of judgment because they have passed from death into life John 5:24

    By Blogger alvin, at Thursday, February 05, 2009 8:17:00 PM  

  • I did quote JOhn 6:47 wrong. The verse I quoted is JOhn 6:37 and it indicates that 100% of the elect respond in faith just as Romans 8:30. This either means that 100% of men are saved or there is an effectual call that only goes to the elect.

    Are you asserting universalism?

    By Blogger jazzycat, at Friday, February 06, 2009 5:18:00 AM  

  • If we are to view the use of world to always mean 100% of people on the planet, then we are forced to affirm universalism for the passages that use world in reference to salvation.

    By Blogger jazzycat, at Friday, February 06, 2009 5:21:00 AM  

  • Hi Jazzycat

    I posted something concerning universalism at Roses blog last night, check it out but you better put on your thinking cap . .ha!ha!

    I spent a whole summer on my days off camping out and reading Zanes book on "Harmony With God" and checking it with Scripture. So be a Berean and check it out and see if these things are not so!

    Wherever He is there am I

    alvin :)

    By Blogger alvin, at Friday, February 06, 2009 6:15:00 AM  

  • Hi Matthew:

    Can only certain people post articles on "Unashamed of Grace?" I know how to post comments on an article, but can't figure out how to post an article, not a comment on an article.

    Please let me know at:

    gkmcnees@comcast.net

    Thanks, Gary McNees

    By Blogger Gary, at Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:35:00 PM  

  • Gary, are you new to blogging?

    Normally only the owner or the members of a blog can post.

    Maybe if we got to know you we might consider inviting you to become a member.

    For now we can enjoy reading your comments.

    God Bless

    Matthew

    By Blogger Celestial Fundie, at Friday, March 13, 2009 5:08:00 AM  

  • Hi Gary,

    I know you didn't ask me, but I thought I'd chime in with some info to answer your question.

    Blogs are generally where one person comes up with a name, registers it on blogspot (or wherever), then posts articles about whatever they feel like however often they want... sort of like a journal for many people. In fact, "blog" is short for "weblog".

    Some blogs are used for other things, like reviewing products, or in this case discussing (and sometimes debating) theology, or discussing politics, etc. UoG is a group blog, but the majority are a single person.

    However, unlike blogs, forums are where anyone can post new threads/articles at any time. Which is one reason why my husband set up TheoTalk, a forum for folks to discuss FG, general theology, etc. It's less controlled and directed by a single person on any side.

    And maybe you've already been out to our forum... there seem to be 2 Garys on here, and there is a Gary on our forum, but I don't know which Gary is which! :-) But either way, I did want to let you know that the ability of everyone to create threads is one of the main differences between blogs and forums... although you could always create your own blog and then post new articles to your heart's content. :-)

    By Blogger Rachel, at Friday, March 13, 2009 5:50:00 AM  

  • Alvin, good post.

    I would add that since God knows who would believe given the information, He could determine one's destiny on this knowledge.

    Gary McNees

    By Blogger Gary, at Friday, March 13, 2009 7:36:00 AM  

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